Curse

Inner Salbat · Oct 08, 2006, 10:56 PM // 22:56

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Originally Posted by B Ephekt

Any decent group will have a copy of Prot Spirit and Infuse. The prot monk keeps key people protted and puts a prot spirit on the person beign spiked, the infuser infuses targets being spiked. How hard is that? If you can't find monks that can do simple things like that, maybe you shound't do tombs?

You should not have to take a predefined template monk or monks skill bar just because the game has people that like to press the (1) key and kill something, proper balance means, you can take whatever skill bar (within reason) to do the job the just as well, anything else means this game is serioursly unbalanced, and favors being gang raped by a pack of 6 * whatever class, and the sad thing is with the introduction of yet more classes, the division between luck of the draw and actually skill becomes greater, well done ArenaNet FTW (sarcasm).

Just shows how unimaginitive you lot really are, well the people that continue to use the same rotting trash that is seen day after day at least, I thuoght GW was about skill, turns out it doesn't all it takes is a well clock timed press of the 1 key, and your ready to go, and for that you get called rank 8 or 12 woohoo!, I could get better rank on a speak and spell, that's an attack at the system, not anyone.

And by the way, your infuse doesn't work we've tried it the dmg just goes right through it, either that or they have some eden twit on there team, which basically reduces a monk to less than useless.

supaet · Oct 08, 2006, 11:22 PM // 23:22

Inner Salbat,
the entire gw game play is press 1-8 to kill something. Spike takes skill. Whatever build you run to get your r3, gimmick or not, takes skill, Whatever builds we run that got us to higher rank than you in shorter or longer amount of time takes no less skill than the builds you ran.

infuse/prot spirit is only two skills, not a predefined template. If you can take whatever skill bar to do the job just as well, what is the point of build making? what is the point of countering? We who get higher rank than you, are unimaginitive. You have any idea how we play hoh? And your last statement just proves your lack of experience in tombs.

And someone said that cg interrupts ghostly? um..those capping are skills not spells right?

B Ephekt · Oct 08, 2006, 11:37 PM // 23:37

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Originally Posted by Inner Salbat

You should not have to take a predefined template monk or monks skill bar just because the game has people that like to press the (1) key and kill something, proper balance means, you can take whatever skill bar (within reason) to do the job the just as well, anything else means this game is serioursly unbalanced, and favors being gang raped by a pack of 6 * whatever class, and the sad thing is with the introduction of yet more classes, the division between luck of the draw and actually skill becomes greater, well done ArenaNet FTW (sarcasm).

I pointed out two skills not "predefined templates", try reading ffs. A team that doesn't take a prot monk is just stupid, and running a prot with no Prot Spirit, which is an amazing skill, is just as stupid.

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Just shows how unimaginitive you lot really are, well the people that continue to use the same rotting trash that is seen day after day at least

So you’re saying Prot Spirit is trash? Wow... I think that speaks for itself, gg.

So if prot spirit is trash, what would you do to counter a warrior unloading his adrenaline on one of your casters? Guardian and Prot Spirit are too good of a counter to ignore.

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I thuoght GW was about skill, turns out it doesn't all it takes is a well clock timed press of the 1 key

One skill will not save your team, good offensive characters, good monks and intelligence will.

The point is, if people are going to run spikes, you'd have to be an idiot to not run counters to it. Prot Spirit and Infuse are both good skills, and they do have uses outside of preventing spikes. I'm sorry, but everything you're saying seems to translate into "I want to be able to run shitty monk bars and still be able to beat people who run good monk bars." I'm sorry, but I just have to laugh at that.

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And by the way, your infuse doesn't work we've tried it the dmg just goes right through it, either that or they have some eden twit on there team, which basically reduces a monk to less than useless.

If you have monks that are worth a damn infuse will work, especially when prot spirit is lessening the amount of damage each spiking skill does. What exactly did you test? A spike against an infuser that was asleep?

Granted, you will generally suffer a death or two against a good spike team, but a good team can still win by pressuring the spikers, interrupting them and protecting spike targets.

Also, energy denial can be combated with weapon swaps. If your monks are becoming “useless” due to energy denial, then they’re probably bad monks anyway – teach them to weapon swap.

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Originally Posted by supaet

And someone said that cg interrupts ghostly? um..those capping are skills not spells right?

Choking doesn't interrupt ghosts, this is true. However, CG rangers take Seeking and Practiced Stance for this reason.

defrule · Oct 09, 2006, 12:18 AM // 00:18

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Originally Posted by Inner Salbat

And by the way, your infuse doesn't work we've tried it the dmg just goes right through it, either that or they have some eden twit on there team, which basically reduces a monk to less than useless.

Did your infuser infuse the right guy?

Katina · Oct 09, 2006, 12:51 AM // 00:51

I really wonder what people were thinking when they thought of this idea. Not only are the same builds and build ideas still in use, but now they're bringing pve shit into PvP? This update is horrible, HA is now horrible, the game is horrible.

Inner Salbat · Oct 09, 2006, 03:17 AM // 03:17

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Originally Posted by Katina

I really wonder what people were thinking when they thought of this idea. Not only are the same builds and build ideas still in use, but now they're bringing pve shit into PvP? This update is horrible, HA is now horrible, the game is horrible.

Now that's just wrong, changing one thing down by -2 players shouldn't ruin the game at all should it? or was the game horrible in the first place and this just exposed the abundent flaws in the game mechanics that made it more visiable those that would normally not notice it at all.

ames · Oct 09, 2006, 06:25 AM // 06:25

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Originally Posted by Katina

I really wonder what people were thinking when they thought of this idea. Not only are the same builds and build ideas still in use, but now they're bringing pve shit into PvP? This update is horrible, HA is now horrible, the game is horrible.

u suck

Shmanka · Oct 09, 2006, 07:12 AM // 07:12

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Originally Posted by Katina

I really wonder what people were thinking when they thought of this idea. Not only are the same builds and build ideas still in use, but now they're bringing pve shit into PvP? This update is horrible, HA is now horrible, the game is horrible.

Where did this come from? Now let's take this into an actual perspective here.

Im DAMN SURE Anet didnt get everyone to sit down one day and go as such:

"Hey guys I got this wtfomgbbqhax idea, lets make HA 6v6 for no apparent reason, lets also purposely piss people off! ALSO lets make an update previous to the update with random skill changes that doesn't affect anything!"

Now im sure Anet doesn't have a crystal ball to see the negative results either, but im sure they PLANNED this and THOUGHT it was for the better.

I also think there is ALOT of exaggeration in this message board. Im darn sure from 75%-85% are talking out of their rear ends. Until I see an actual screenshot, proof, or stats on how bad this is, instead of someones life story on how "bad things are in gw" Im not taking anything as truth. I see more people in HA on a sunday night then I ever have in my entire career playing this game. Newb or not this is a good thing.

vahlah · Oct 09, 2006, 08:32 AM // 08:32

OMFG 19 pages of pure crap. Little wheeping pussyies!!! OMG HA whent shit, only a couple of builds will rule HA now, no more skill needed. BLA BLA BLA BLA

FFS only a couple of builds ruled HA when it was 8vs.8 so no big change there.

And to all that say that GW whent shit and they wont play anymore.
THEN DONT !!! SHUT UP!!!!

You were probably the gimmick idiots yourself and now when something changed you cannot cope with it so go play something else.

Personaly I think that GW is much more than just HA, and if that was your only source of fun in this game well bad for ya.

Inner Salbat · Oct 09, 2006, 09:09 AM // 09:09

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Originally Posted by vahlah

OMFG 19 pages of pure crap. Little wheeping pussyies!!! OMG HA whent shit, only a couple of builds will rule HA now, no more skill needed. BLA BLA BLA BLA

FFS only a couple of builds ruled HA when it was 8vs.8 so no big change there.

And to all that say that GW whent shit and they wont play anymore.
THEN DONT !!! SHUT UP!!!!

You were probably the gimmick idiots yourself and now when something changed you cannot cope with it so go play something else.

Personaly I think that GW is much more than just HA, and if that was your only source of fun in this game well bad for ya.

HA!, go play PvE you nub.

Sarevok Thordin · Oct 09, 2006, 11:07 AM // 11:07

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Originally Posted by Inner Salbat

HA!, go play PvE you nub.

Seems he hit a soft spot.

Inner Salbat · Oct 09, 2006, 11:54 AM // 11:54

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Originally Posted by Sarevok Thordin

Seems he hit a soft spot.

not really, just joking around

maraxusofk · Oct 09, 2006, 01:12 PM // 13:12

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Originally Posted by supaet

OK where are those "new" or "low rank" player who think that 6v6 will help them a easier time to get into ha. Please speak up now. What you think? are you being accepted by higher rank players? Do you still get own by a certain build?

Well said Lorekeeper. In 8v8 there are more open to mistakes and a certain bad skill use by players. But in 6v6, every move is more significant. Now I require that everyone in my group to be around my rank level. Back in the 8v8, I won't check everyone's rank. In 8v8, with one bad player, my group can still win at least a couple matches on average. But now, you can't afford one bad player. only 6 per team. Have fun getting into teams newbie. If you think that hoh is better for newbie now, please think again and post what you think. Please post. I want to know if any newbie feel it's easier for them to getinto hoh and work their way up now.

How true. Plus wit the new broken tower, dont expect to get much fame.

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Originally Posted by SziP

Thank you anet for loosing half of my HA guild and also me, HA was what i liked. Got rank 9, i worked hard ive invested huge amounts of time and effort into it, i was looking forward to rank 10 or even more.Now HA is turned into a playground for 13 year old kids. If i knew they would do this, honeslty i wouldnt of wasted my time liking and playing this game.

If there is something left, that is a little bit of GvG and thats it. Im NOT purchasing Nightfall , Guild Wars was my only MMO. Ive accepted all the nerfs, skill balancing and i was even waiting for an AUCTION house , i really tought you can do it, but forget it.

Anet played a very smart tricky game, made double fame and 6 vs 6, so newcomers would like it and force the veternas to like it FOR THE MOMENT. Right when HA was cleared up and was getting even more enjoyable 6 vs 6 came along.

GREAT JOB Anet!, your amazing!

NOT!!!!!

I agree with you, but not to such an extreme position. i hate the mess ha is in right now badly. although there are more variations on builds, ha is ALOT less enjoyable b/c of the map changes. use of sapphires and rubies (stated A LONG time ago in frog talk)?????, auction house?????? new ha maps??????? yeah im sick of this crap. all i wanna do is get r9 and be done wit it.

And ot everyone who complains about gimmick builds: those builds werent gimmicks at first. it was just when nubs used it and looked like idiots wit it or ppl couldnt find a way to beat a build that the builds became gimmicky. if the nr/tranq variation of balance became more popular, im sure it would be classified as gimmicky eventually.

grottoftl · Oct 09, 2006, 01:32 PM // 13:32

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Originally Posted by Katina

I really wonder what people were thinking when they thought of this idea. Not only are the same builds and build ideas still in use, but now they're bringing pve shit into PvP? This update is horrible, HA is now horrible, the game is horrible.

Aren't you a pve only player?

Aejorii · Oct 09, 2006, 04:27 PM // 16:27

She isn't.

B Ephekt · Oct 09, 2006, 05:58 PM // 17:58

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Originally Posted by Inner Salbat

or was the game horrible in the first place and this just exposed the abundent flaws in the game mechanics that made it more visiable those that would normally not notice it at all.

This game isn't unbalanced or broken, some people just need to learn to play. Losing to a team with with more coherant builds and strategies does not makes thigs unbalanced.

Ensign · Oct 09, 2006, 06:32 PM // 18:32

Spirit Bond is like a million times better than Protective Spirit for catching spikes. Protspirit is nice for pre-protting, but for twitch reactions Bond can actually save people, while the Protspirit is largely irrelevant if it isn't there beforehand.

Peace,
-CxE

midnight caretaker · Oct 09, 2006, 07:19 PM // 19:19

Why do people complain about what builds other run anyways? They say they never lose to them (if thats so why complain) and that if its not the build they run its noob/nub whatever. Could you imagine what the game would be like if it was all just 1 type of build, that would be boring as all hell. To put it simple if you dont like it
1) state your dislikes and wait till it changes
2) keep playing and STFU
3) or my favorite for all you cronic complainers QUIT

PLAY WHAT YOU WANT AND WHEN OTHERS COMPLAIN OR CALL U A NUB JUST REMEMBER ITS CUS THEY ARE LOSERS THAT CANT GET LAID AND THATS ALL THEY HAVE GOING FOR THEM

Inner Salbat · Oct 09, 2006, 08:47 PM // 20:47

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Originally Posted by B Ephekt

This game isn't unbalanced or broken, some people just need to learn to play. Losing to a team with with more coherant builds and strategies does not makes thigs unbalanced.

You've got a funny idea about balance and skill.

My idea of balance is, if you have a bar set to heal and you have the approperate attributes set in the right healing prayers line, you should be able to heal, what it should come down to then is your skill and timing at using whatever healing skills you took.

It should not have to come down to any enforced type of skill bar, just because you have morons out there that like to kill things in micro seconds, this type of murder is for people who do not know which parts of a group you should presure first, and would rather just click enermy player 1...6 and kill.

But anyway, I am wasting my time none of you get it, and I couldn't really give a flighting fig what you think, but this be bound if you listen or not, this is probably the single most reason, I've seen people leave and will likely be the reason I might leave it in the future, there is only so much B.S unbalance one can take.

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Originally Posted by midnight caretaker

Why do people complain about what builds other run anyways? They say they never lose to them (if thats so why complain) and that if its not the build they run its noob/nub whatever. Could you imagine what the game would be like if it was all just 1 type of build, that would be boring as all hell. To put it simple if you dont like it
1) state your dislikes and wait till it changes
2) keep playing and STFU
3) or my favorite for all you cronic complainers QUIT

PLAY WHAT YOU WANT AND WHEN OTHERS COMPLAIN OR CALL U A NUB JUST REMEMBER ITS CUS THEY ARE LOSERS THAT CANT GET LAID AND THATS ALL THEY HAVE GOING FOR THEM

LOL, so true.. hell there is what 484 Skills for chapter 1 at least, I forget what the total is, but no one can come up with anything new out of that many, either they've been playing computers too long, and lost there imagination to create something new and interesting, or there just losers.

but the reason why people complain about these static builds that never change is due, not to being a nub at all, I could go out there and IWAY/VIM/BSPIKE/RSPIKE my way with the best of them if I wanted too, but I refuse too, because I'd rather try something new, I'd rather use my brain and pull out a few skills untried before and go out and give'em a shoot, some of them will win, some of them will be god awful but I sure sick of facing the same crap day after day, so I'm sure not going to play it either.

Sarevok Thordin · Oct 09, 2006, 09:02 PM // 21:02

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Originally Posted by Inner Salbat

You've got a funny idea about balance and skill.

My idea of balance is, if you have a bar set to heal and you have the approperate attributes set in the right healing prayers line, you should be able to heal, what it should come down to then is your skill and timing at using whatever healing skills you took.

It should not have to come down to any enforced type of skill bar, just because you have morons out there that like to kill things in micro seconds, this type of murder is for people who do not know which parts of a group you should presure first, and would rather just click enermy player 1...6 and kill.

But anyway, I am wasting my time none of you get it, and I couldn't really give a flighting fig what you think, but this be bound if you listen or not, this is probably the single most reason, I've seen people leave and will likely be the reason I might leave it in the future, there is only so much B.S unbalance one can take.

LOL, so true.. hell there is what 484 Skills for chapter 1 at least, I forget what the total is, but no one can come up with anything new out of that many, either they've been playing computers too long, and lost there imagination to create something new and interesting, or there just losers.

but the reason why people complain about these static builds that never change is due, not to being a nub at all, I could go out there and IWAY/VIM/BSPIKE/RSPIKE my way with the best of them if I wanted too, but I refuse too, because I'd rather try something new, I'd rather use my brain and pull out a few skills untried before and go out and give'em a shoot, some of them will win, some of them will be god awful but I sure sick of facing the same crap day after day, so I'm sure not going to play it either.

QFT................